Design concepts (cont..) + Romanticism in York

Digital Rev has fun with Canon's 8-15mm Fisheye lens

Here are some examples of unusual perpectives which are very fun and addictive. The Fisheye lens can offer 180 degrees of view. With such a wide angle of view and the distorted nature of the lens, you can get the surroundings in view as well as the subject. Tall buildings can look even taller than they are, stretching into the distance to a pin point. But close up, it distorts faces, and objects in a bulbous manner. This is notorious for animal photos exaggerating their noses and heads, whilst their bodies look tiny; making dogs and cats look very cute with their big eyes.

Glimpses

Talking to Warren today, we discussed the idea of mirrors and viewing York differently, as well as a photowalk or tour. He was reminded of some sculptures or something similar in Sheffield city centre. He was not clear exactly on what, but a quick google search revealed what he meant. Warren clearly meant the big chrome spheres outside Sheffield millenium gallery, in the Peace Gardens. A Flickr search on these areas show that people interact with these balls and are intrigued! Its a touchpoint which can help to liven up a space, introduce an activity and also stimulation. A photo by Oliver kershaw shows brilliantly what can be done with such a simple object. A large reflective ball in a particular space can help emphasis a location and make you more aware of your surroundings. People are intrigued by the reflections and take closer looks, takes pictures and also identify the shapes made in the skyline. I could imagine this in areas which are small such as the Shambles, as well as outside York Minster.   

Photos by Digitalrev TV in a different perspective.

These snapshots from a Digitalrev TV video show how a mirror is used in a city to make interesting viewpoints. The presenter (Kai) takes along an assistant (intern) with a large mirror in and around the city streets. There are sometimes very narrow areas where the assistant is able to reflect glimpses of the other buildings. Generally, humans stand upright and their natural, comfortable eyesight prefers to look from the horizon down to the feet. Fifteen to forty-five degrees below the horizontal is most comfortable. Its been an evolutionary trait as most of human's prey are within this angle of view. It no wonder people looking up are always tripping over things, or bumping into people. It's hazardous, and therefore not very common that people spend time looking above the horizontal. They may only use their peripheral vision only.

Romantic York

As KT Landsay says in her blog, “Sheffield is many-faceted it's great to photograph. Working on the theme of 'steel' could take you in so many different directions, from the existing and dilapidated steelworks to steel architectures and art in the city centre to the old millstones ”(KT Landsay 2009). It is what makes Sheffield interesting, since most visitors get a feel for the city and explore by sight. You follow what is intriguing to you. I feel that in York, it is not very multi-faceted. In York, there is a lot of history. It is almost a one dimensional city in this sense; everywhere you go history is everywhere. You are surrounded by the city walls, you walk on the cobbles, and you glance up to see the georgian, victorian, there is a very distinct lack of modernisation. Or you could say there is a overwhelming romancism of York.

I think that for York to become more interesting, a bit of contrast can help. Bringing out a juxtaposition would release the city from being stuck in the past. I remember the Architect from the council, Guy, saying that people are almost blind to stepping forward as a city. They feel any changes are 'Not in keeping with the city'. Guy said he had a concern for York that always looking into the past prevents change at the present time. There is a danger that we become constrained to not doing anything to the city. There is no mark to say “We were here”. We will look back at the time when the georgians were here or the Victorians were here etc. But what do people fifty years from now have to say that we were here? Naturally, the new replaces the old, but there is also a place for the conservation of the past.

I guess that guy feels that anything he wants to do for the city of York, for the better is resisted by many who believe it would destroy the essence of the city.

http://ktlindsay.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/home-sweet-home-photographing-sheffield.html

Design Concepts (cont...)

Exhibition Square

Decluttering of Exhibition square and Bootham Bar should be a priority. There is a lot of street furniture that is unappealing and also confusing for visitors. The pavements and crossings at the Bootham and Gillygate are very narrow and tight. The area is noisy and also very vehicle dominating. Public buses often stop at the lights, as well as the York sightseeing and the brown bus.

I propose that the rearrangement of the road system to give more priorities to pedestrians, but also getting rid of the traffice island. A nice wide crossing should be in place to direct flow to and from the Art Gallery to Bootham Bar. It should be pleasant with a wide angle of view and also makes vehicles aware that they need to slow down. Reducing to single lanes also provides more space for cyclists waiting at the lights, but also buses turning onto Gillygate.

Next, the Exhibition Square frontage should have an area of focus. Where people can meet up and organise, for York tours and school groups, the entrance to the Art Gallery is an ideal place. Children are able to have their packed lunch and is easily monitored. A bus lane directed into and around the fountain may also be more convenient for school buses, tour buses and other public transport. Removing much of stopped traffic along the St Leonard's place. There is enough bus stops along this corridor, as it is, so this could be a temporary solution. Bearing in mind that the Lendal Bridge closure would really contribute to the traffic along this area.

Mirrors of York

Initially I was thinking about how to help the problem at Gillygate/Bootham junction; there is often someone coming round the corner quickly, and you can bump into them. I thought of using convex mirrors to allow pedestrians to see round the corner. It reminds me of seeing some really beautiful architecture above the shops of York and feeling that they get forgotten or ignored. Using large mirrors, visitors which may normally walk past streets or alleys, could get glimpses of side streets and alleys. I think it could be used as a tool to spread footfall in otherwise empty spaces. I think this could be useful if there was a magnification too, and placed in certain positions it could give interesting viewpoints or highlight something in the sidestreet. Landmarks could have be viewed differently, illusions, exaggerations can be all part of a new fun adventure for people in York.

As a side idea branching from viewing York differently; a disposable camera service could be fun. For family day outs, you can purchase a disposable camera and use it for the day. Then return back to tourist centre once you are done. But because the disposable camera is not digital; the photos need to be developed and results cannot be seen right away. Returning back home from the visit, there will be a surprise the next day to see your journey/experience in the post.

This could be very entertaining for all if each member had a camera each. The children’s perpective of entertaining things is different to teenagers or adults. However, there is always the issue that almost everyone has a mobile phone with a camera. Tourists will have a digital camera most of the time, and also people will not be willing to spend a lot for photos. Holiday photos almost worth nothing in today’s world.

Inspired by Kai from digitalrevTV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N14GKJaVsZ8

(Golfpunkgirl, Flickr)

(BBC news in pictures)

(Spaceout, Adam BRI Smith)

Initial concepts

Bus Station

For this concept, I have had a thought about how to remove congestion from the York Railway front. There is a lot of traffic during the morning and rush hour; so much that people just dropping off passengers at the train station have to wait 30 minutes to get back out afterwards. This is not helped by there being a lot of buses all along this corridor up to St Leonard's place.

I propose a Bus station to re-route the bus traffic into Micklegate Bar and then having a bus station inside the city walls opposite the railway station. I think this is an ideal location as the road is parallel to the station, as well as being closer to Micklegate. This location hopes to encourage passengers to walk down Micklegate into the city centre. This location is interesting as it also has some access under Queen St. bridge to the current station car park. This can be adapted to give walkways to and from the Bus station and Railway station. Another interesting point is that this allows easy access onto the city walls, where you will be able to see both stations.

Grey = York Railway Station

Orange line = congested route

Dotted orange line = Bus route

Black line = City Walls

Red = Queen St. bridge

Aqua = Station carpark

Dark blue = Micklegate

Art Gallery rear

This concept idea utilises a large unused space close to the city centre. The space behind the Art Gallery is unseen by the ruin walls, and currently derelict. The space runs parrellel to Bootham and there is an entrance into the space from Marygate. I think this space could be utilised to encourage footfall into Exhibition Square (front of Art Gallery) and also to provide a comfortable corridor for pedestrians travelling into the City Centre.

I feel that the space is suitable for an area for relaxing and also a garden. It should provide a area of rest and maybe an area for drop-off, or parking for disabled. Marygate carpark is already large enough and able visitors will not find the climb too difficult. However, wheelchair-stricken users will find it tough to climb. Therefore parking for disabled will be much appreciated. Next, because there is now a pleasant cafe and activity, it should help create an environment where people spend more time. Therefore, it's become a destination for which Exhibition Square will become a pathway to and from the city centre. There is sufficient space beside the gallery to allow a wide walkway to the front of the gallery, where I hope there will be attractions and a lovely view of the Minster, Bootham bar and the De Greys Room. There should be no stopped vehicle traffic at the red area.

Orange line = Major road

Black line = City wall

Light blue = Space

Black spot = Exhibition square

Red = Art Gallery

Dotted black line = Pedestrian route

Development Introduction

3PD006 - Service and systems design

– Development Learning Journal –

Introduction

This journal is a continuation from the Research Learning Journal; carrying on from discoveries to bring ideas and concepts into more well-defined solutions in the City of York. From the research taken place in the last 4-5 weeks, I have summarised key issues from residents, as well as tourists and even some of my own observations. Although many problems have been highlighted in the research, I feel that not all of them is suitable for this project scope; time, money, expertise are scarce. The issues highlighted in my presentation shows that there are some big obstacles when trying to relocate Network Rail HQ and also the redirecting of buses past the new council offices. As for the Art Gallery rear, the highly sensitive nature of the site and the proposal for a car park is really confusing and also ‘culturally degrading’. Hopefully, this journal will produce some worthwhile solutions to issues within York, keeping an eye on the project aims:

• Reinvigorating the city centre economy.
• Increasing footfall in the city centre.
• Improving the overall quality of life for residents.
• Increasing the sense of York as a special place.
• Maintaining York as a top tourist destination

Issues	Notes
Streets are not clean and tidy	Bootham Bar Micklegate Railway station Bins overflowing
Central fountain is unappealing	Waste of money and space Never in use
Newgate market is not attractive	Bins outside entrance Difficult to see sign
Signs are confusing	Too many signs Don’t direct people well Makes the street cluttered
Residents feel neglected by council	Little improvement for residents More improvements for visitors
Poor communication of city changes	Very little public consultations
Overpriced parking charges
Traders in Newgate market felt neglected by the council	Council doesn’t help them Council pushing more Parliament St. market
Parliament Street ‘robbing’ local market’s footfall	Traders want more footfall
Lendal bridge’s closure confusing to visitors	Good implementation is required
Worry that council’s plans are aimed ONLY to improve visitor’s experience.	Council's priorities

Presentation

Opening to presentation

Presentation preparation

Presenting to tutors in preparation for next week. This presentation will help provide feedback into the research I have done so far and also to give some initial proposals in which a solution may be effective against the issues highlighted. The presentation will be roughly six slides and we have been given ten minutes presenting time, and another ten minutes for feedback. For my presentation, Simon P. and Duncan B. were there to give me feedback. Overall, I think content wise, it was good, but the execution was only so-so. Getting through the issues and explaining some of the photos is really good to engage the audience; “Here is the bins outside the entrance to Newgate market.” etc. The presentation also is quick, to the point and also not repeating too much of what other students had to say too. Getting into the solutions is much more interesting for the tutors and I guess will also be for the Derek Gauld and Guy Hanson. Simon and Duncan spent a considerable amount of time understanding the proposals, so I think more time needs to be spent on clarifying it. Here is what they had to say:

• Beginning was good
• The contrast of view is good
• Identified many issues and got into the project
• Duncan liked quotes and interaction with public
• Proposals are too huge; too much for this
• Walk around the railway station to get a better understanding of the area.
• Work on something small, but do it very well
• Focus on one issue and try to find solutions; Bootham/Gillygate junction
• Duncan suggested a clean-up campaign, dressing up brightly and in a group to make littering more aware and interacting with the public.

Presentation Day 29^th October

Presentation time took place from around 10:55 to 11:10. It was in the Attic Seminar room with Warren, Duncan and Simon in the room. Derek and Jessica was at the front of the room and the main audience. Overall, it felt very quick and I struggled to get through the first few slides with as little speech as I could. It may have not seemed coherent, but I guessed it would have been ok as many of the issues are very visual. I spent some time talking about the initial concepts, but quickly moved onto the new and most recent ideas; mirrors and navigation through the streets of York. Much of the solutions initially became largely city planning, but I brought up a service and also much simpler and cheaper alternative to improve York. I spent much longer to explain this concept and generally, I felt they really understood my ideas. I was surprised I didn't falter too much and kept up swiftly. Learnt that visual cues are definitely better for my own presentations as the flow and journey through it is more to my way of thinking.

Derek Gauld and Jessica – Feedback

Both Derek and Jessica liked the last idea much more than the others. Jessica said it was 'original' and felt that it could work within the snickets around York. Derek did say that glimpses do play a role and that it is very interesting. Also, that the safety element as well as being a educational activity is good. I don't remember much of what else they said so much, it happened rather quick. In hindsight, maybe an audio recording could be beneficial for me. When in the moment, it's a lot of information and conversation exchanges that happen, which I cannot take in.

Inital proposed concepts/solutions

City of York Council

York Council's view

Seeing the opinions from the variety of user groups within York has been very informative, but it is equally important to see the views from the people making the changes. Afterall, it is the council's job to react to these voices. From the offset, we have known that “Reinvigorate York” aims to

• Reinvigorating the city centre economy.

• Increasing footfall in the city centre.

• Improving the overall quality of life for residents.

• Increasing the sense of York as a special place.

• Maintaining York as a top tourist destination

But what specifically are they addressing and how have they come to realise the issues surrounding

the six areas they have targeted? So far, the initial stage is being carried out: King's square's and the Lendal bridge closure trial. The initial pages about the projects are very vague and concentrate only on the short term; how its implemented and diversion routes etc. However, digging through the council's website, they have documents of the imposed plans, and issues they are planning to address in much more detail. This is their opening line which inform residents of the Lendal Bridge closure:

“Running for an initial period of six months from August 27, a traffic restriction trial aims to reduce daytime traffic across Lendal Bridge as part of a wider long-term vision to address city centre congestion and improve the reliability of public transport.”

(http://www.york.gov.uk/info/200174/planning_and_building_control/686/reinvigorate_york/2)

Communication, Consultations and Complaints

The biggest issue I found was navigating around the website. It took me a long time to find relevant information, plus the format in which the information was shown is very not user-friendly. There are a handful of PDF documents which summarise meetings, discussions and plans for York. But in almost all the cases, there is a huge amount of text, eventhough they are bullet pointed. This makes for a very cumbersome experience for anyone trying to find out information. Especially for residents; when they know something is happening to their city, and they are coming to this website. It may be part of the reason for some of the attitudes directed at the council.

The earliest document summarises the first project dealing with the Station-Minster route, as well as St. Leonard's place and Bootham/Gillygate junction. This document shows that site surveys have already been done and issues identified. Furthermore, the council have consulted key stakeholders in the area and agreed on the aims; Museum Trust, University, Theatre, Rushbond and English Heritage. So far, it seems that the council has really worked and communicated their plans well. There is a clear theme running through this document to improve the bus system.

“The volume of vehicular traffic using St Leonard’s Place and Gillygate/ Bootham junction is a key constraint to realising transformational change in the area. The road acts as a major barrier to pedestrian and cycle movement and has been identified as an accident cluster site.” (Private Cabinet – Improvements to Exhibition Square - 5^th March 2013)

“The re-prioritisation of traffic using Lendal Bridge...... to see where other improvements can be made along the route from the station and beyond. It will help to enable the transformation of gateways at Duncombe and Gillygate/ Bootham and the movement corridor along St Leonard’s Place. It provides an opportunity to transform and uplift Exhibition Square and the Art Gallery in order to complete the cultural package of initiatives.” (Private Cabinet – Improvements to Exhibition Square - 5^th March 2013)

Next, looking at aims in the cabinet report of 7^th May 2013, there is clear issues that have been identified. They specifically look towards public transport services to be improved and also an interchange station for buses at the rail station. Re-prioritising the traffic over Lendal bridge to buses and taxis, aims to help bus flow and encourage public transportation. It aims to reduce traffic along St Leonard's place/Boothham Bar so that Exhibition square can be transformed. A reduction in congestion at Lendal bridge has been identified as important for bus service reliability. Finally, station area has also been identified as needing major improvement for movement into the city centre.

It is clear that improvement of ths Station-Minster route as well as St leonard's Place is very heavily dependant on the success of the vehicular flow across Lendal bridge. But so far public consultations still have not taken place yet and there are already rough plans been drawn out for changes. Eventhough these planned changes are aimed to improve the experience for residents as well as visitors; residents within York clearly feel that they are kept in the dark. Residents feel that tourists are considered more important in the eyes of the council, and they are only aiming to improve visitor footfall. Whatever the case, there clearly needs to be more communication between the citizens of York and the city council. The actual dates that public exhibitions did take place was on early august september and october; a six month gap from the private cabinet in March.

“Please note that five public exhibitions have already taken place on 7 & 8 August, 11 & 12 September, and 5 October. York's business community were also invited to attend one of two business briefings on 14 August.” (http://www.york.gov.uk/citycentreimprovements)

“The York Visitor Survey 2011-12 found that the overwhelmingly top activity of our 7 million visitors each year is to “stroll around and enjoy the ambience of York”, together with “eating and drinking out”. Less than 2 million of the 7 million visitors actually go into the major attractions.” (Cabinet report – Improving movement and public realm in the city - 7^th May 2013 p.5)

An interesting note: many visitors of York come here without much expectation of what to do. They appear to have somehow been convinced to visit without much knowledge other than that it is an old historic city. But once, they do arrive, it appears that many enjoy exploring the city without too much direction. I think this is a special aspect of York. There is little expectation, and visitors are pleasantly satisfied with whats to offer. Whether it's because they have little time to uncover the unappealing parts of York, I am not sure.

“Significantly reducing motorised traffic offers the scope to improve air quality in some key central locations, improve bus reliability and enhance the attractiveness of the city centre. As the city grows the public transport system will become more vital for residents and visitors to in and around the city. More predictable journey times and less traffic in the city centre will improve the reliability and efficiency of bus services.” (Cabinet report – Improving movement and public realm in the city - 7^th May 2013 p.2)

“9. In the longer term removal of traffic has the potential to open up opportunities for the York Central development, a bus interchange at the rail station and options over Queen Street Bridge.”(Cabinet report – Improving movement and public realm in the city - 7^th May 2013 p.5)

Cabinet Report 7.5.13 Annexes Band C:

“A 10% reduction in bus travel times is resulting in a 2% increase in patronage. Improvements to reliability and frequency of services change the elasticity, making them more elastic. However, this is outside the scope of the model, although the local and national experience is that increasing the frequency of bus services is the biggest influence on patronage.”

“Significant reductions in traffic volumes are predicted on the corridor from Queen Street (-290) past the station frontage (-400), Lendal Arch Gyratory (-600), Lendal Bridge (-700), Museum Street, St Leonards Place (-500) and Gillygate (-150).”

“The largest increase is at the Walmgate Bar (+200 northbound, +125 southbound). Increases in flow are also predicted for Water End at Clifton Bridge (+150 heading to Clifton Green, +200 coming from Clifton Green).”

Interviewing York Cont.

n.b due to problems with internet, past week or so has been very inactive on blog. Sorry :(

Elderly couple coming through York from Harrogate to see a fair in Hull.

Me: “So you enjoy the pubs the most?”

Man: “Yeah, some of them”

“You're not a visitor, just travelling through?

Me: “You find the streets clean and tidy?”

Man: “No, a lot of waste paper about. They don't empty the waste baskets.”

Me: Any other complaints?”

Man: “Train connections are really poor. I just got off now, and gotta wait another hour for the train to go.”

Me: “Where are you going today?”

Man: “To Hull, from harrogate”

Me: “Do you think anything can be improved in York?”

Man: “Well, to start with they need a mini bus station at the train station, so you don't have to get one over here, another lot down the road. So they need a bus station”

Me: “If you come to york, what do you do?

Man: “To come to the pubs for a meal, see a few shops, do weekly shopping.”

Me: “Which pub do you go to?”

Man: “She likes the Punch Bowl. £3.30 for breakfast”

Me: “Have you visited Newgate Market?”

Man: “Yes, yes it wasn't as good as it was twenty years ago. The stalls aren't there anymore, it used to be there. If you went twenty years ago, and you go now, you'd notice the difference. Well, there used to be more clothing shops, cake shops, biscuits, you know, more variety of stalls. There just a few now isn't there. If you want a mobile phone, you're alright there aren't ya. It's probably someones nicked them”

Me: “Which streets of York do you spend the most time visiting?”

Man: “Well, if i'm coming to York, it could be anywhere in York, Hull road...”

Me: “Do you go to Micklegate?”

Man: “Yea, the Punch Bowl is just at the top of there, I haven't walk up there for a long time, but I know where you mean, down the long street. They say it's a bit rough on a saturday night. You know, flying bottles and things, I think its a drinker's paradise down there. I haven't walked down there for many years, but I know what you mean.”

Me: “We're going to be presenting to the York Council next week, about what problems we've found out”

Man: “Well they need to do sommut cos it's going down hill. They shut Lendal bridge off. It dont bother me cos I know where I'm going to miss it, so it ain't a problem. But wheres are the tourists going to go, that don't know their way round?

You can have breakfast at the Punch Bowl at blossoms street, now you used to go past the station, over lendal bridge that way down Bootham out onto the bypass. But now they shut the bridge, there no problem. You go the same way, but instead of heading over the bridge, you turn left into Leeman road, over clifton bridge, turn left at the end and you're left on the ouse. Now I know that route, but visitors won't have a clue.Silly things like that.”

Me: “Were there no Diversion routes then?”

Man: “I've never noticed one, mind you I probably never really looked for one. But it is a silly manoever shutting that bridge. It wants scrapping that idea. Scrap it.”

Woman: “The York trains coming in, the Harrogate trains gone, so you've got an hour or so to wait before its coming in. They don't think at all. You've got to wait till ten past two.

You see, I come on the train today to go to Hull, It would have been an hour and half quicker driving.

Me: “Well why didn't you drive today?”

Man: “Well, I've got a free rail pass.”

Carey: “Why don't you go leeds and then hull?”

Man: “It wouldn't be free with the Northern rail pass, i'll have to pay if I go that way, because its the Transpenine running the other way. I only get a free pass from Northern. But there again, having said that if you go that way, you know it's dearer than going York, Hull. It's faster. I can usually pass to leeds, but I can't go the transpennine express to hull without paying. Whereas this way, I can get this one, and it's free. Although by the same token, its quicker to drive. Trying to find somewhere to park, is it hard?”

Carey: “Yeah, its really hard because if I had to drive into University, I have to park in the parking lot, which is expensive. Ten pounds a day.”

Man: “Nunnery lane ain't too bad. It's again near the Punch Bowl.... it's a long narrow car park. You can usually get in there. But it ain't anywhere near the shops.”

Carey: “I know there a public carpark outside, near my university, on the other side. But apart from that, I don't know any of the other car parks. For two hours, it's like three, four pounds”

Man: “Find out why don't they empty out the city centre waste bins more often? Because I know that there's more than me that have complained about that. They used to have like a small dust-cart go around, especially around the weekend, you know, going round the waste bins, emptying them.”

Carey: “They have them in Harrogate”

Man: “yeah, but they don't in York now, well I've never seen them for a long, long time.

Carey: “Every morning, I don't see anything like that. Whereas in Harrogate I see that every morning. Yeah every morning.”

Man: “York don't seem to do that, so they overfill. Coming in to York is so much like going into Newcastle. The minute you walk out through the station it's chaos........ If you know the buses there's a bus that goes into town every 10 minutes.”

Man: “if they're not careful we're going to lose a lot of visitor next year. Well, if you walk around York now and look at the people that's in the streets. The majority are foreign, chinese, Hong Kong, Europeans. They're not english. You watch as you go round. Name whatever county you want but that's where majority of visitors are. Now once people go back home and tell them what rubbish they've seen, the others aren't going to keep on coming are they.

Woman: “At one time it was free to go to the Minster, free to go into this, free to go into that. You're paying for everything now. Before you start. I had my Auntie and Uncle come in from the states and I took them to the Minster. They wanted to go in the tower see what York was like at the top. They said are you coming up? And I said no. Then you won't have any lunch. They forced me to come, and the sight was marvelous. It was a lovely clear day.”

A young couple come to York for the first time. They are from Turkey, Istanbul. The man is an Architect.

Me: “Why did you come here?”

Man: “..the city plan and the city is really interesting, its completely old, the buildings are nice...and streets.”

Me: “Did you find it clean?”

Man: “It's quite clean actually, comapred to home, this is better.”

Me: “Where else are you planning to visit today?”

Man: “We will walk around, we have been walking on the city walls. That's good, we will continue walking and then there was a big building around there... 'Clifford's tower?'(me) yeah, so we will go there. So we don't have much plan.”

Me: “Has there been anything you don't like about York so far since you've been here?”

Woman: “No.”

Man: “I don't know.”

Me: “Anything you particularly like then?”

Woman: “Gardens”

Man: “Gardens, there are live animals still in there”

Man: “After York we will pass Oxford, and then London. We started in Manchester.”

Me: “Have you been to Newgate Market?”

Man: “Actually, I think we just pass through. It's ok, it looks ok actually. It was ok, it was nothing special you know.”

Woman: “actaully, we are used to know that kind of thing in turkey. There are many Bazaars. It is quite clean.”

Man: “We could not see any signs. We just walking, maybe there was.”

Me: “Are you having any difficulty nagivating?”

Man: “I like finding my way. I'm good at directions. We are architects. It's ok for us. Without a map, we can find our way. But I guess for the people, it can be difficult, what can you do...”